Topic: Polysupport + ?

RoboxPro Forums Materials Polysupport + ?

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  • #33145

    markB @markb

    Sorry to start another support material thread. I think I read now through most of them

    and the consensus seems to be that the best support material at the moment is Polysupport.

    But what is the best material to combine it with ? I am “just” after a clean finish with minimum wrapping ;-).

    Thanx for any advice.

    #33176
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    BHudson @bhudson
    I have both RoboxDual and other Robox versions
    Arizona, USA

    @markb Look at the topic here:

    http://www.cel-robox.com/forums/topic/dual-material-kit-installation-setup-and-first-prints/

    I operate two Betas and four Production Robox.
    I am the US/Canada Technical Support engineer for the Robox.
    See my 3D Hub site at https://www.3dhubs.com/phoenix/hubs/ben

    #33177

    markB @markb

    thanx for the link.. did not see that before.

    So basically if I use polysupport I have the following options:

    1. ABS, PLE as GOOD
    2. CO-PET as OK

    Quickly asked robox support and they said PLE or CO-PET …

    Hmm… not sure if I am not more confused now (too many options)…

    So of all of the above … which would be the best if print accuracy and easy removal are the most important criteria ..

     

    #33348
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    Pete @pete
    I have both RoboxDual and other Robox versions
    CEL HQ Bristol UK

    Polysupport was designed to support PLA. We found it works with others as per that chart in Ben’s link.

    What is the ideal material for your final part?


    For official support please visit www.cel-robox.com/support/ and create a ticket

    #33351

    markB @markb

    Thanx @pete for your comment.

    >What is the ideal material for your final part?

    Nothing planned to print in particular at the moment. Will get my upgraded printer soon so am just curious about the best material combination when one of the materials is used as support (= now decided and ordered polysupport already), to have a great first-print experience 😉

    Things I want to print might include : prototype for toys, simple holder for electronics …

    Printed until now only with ABS and had some warping issues (nothing major) so would like to use some material that shows less warping than ABS . So having less warping in the non-support- material would be great.

    I think I read somewhere on the forums good things about colorfabb XT regarding warping but I am not sure … is it better than standard PLE ?

    So given that I ordered plolysupport I am just after the best non-support material that works well with it that has the least warping issues…

    Thanx for any comments

     

     

    #33370
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    Pete @pete
    I have both RoboxDual and other Robox versions
    CEL HQ Bristol UK

    ngen and xt are both better than PLA in just about every respect. None of these 3 have good mechanical properties though, they are all brittle and difficult to post process.

    ABS does shrink, check this out though.

    http://robox.cel-uk.com/filament/tech-abs.html

    ABS is easy to post process, has great strength and takes screws well.

     


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    #33372

    markB @markb

    oh .. one more option then …

    so basically its either

    tech-ABS, PLE, XT , nGen + Polysupport …

    anyone with a personal preference/recommendation in regards to the new dual material head ?

     

    #33391
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    BHudson @bhudson
    I have both RoboxDual and other Robox versions
    Arizona, USA

    @pete I find XT to have good physical properties and to be rather easy to post-process. It doesn’t turn white like ABS, has some resiliency, and is so much easier to print with that a little more effort than ABS to finish the outside is worth it. I also find that the fact I can print the part once and know I am getting a good result is worth it.

    I operate two Betas and four Production Robox.
    I am the US/Canada Technical Support engineer for the Robox.
    See my 3D Hub site at https://www.3dhubs.com/phoenix/hubs/ben

    #33399
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    David @dmullerdesign
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    Like Ben, I’m a bit XT fan. I print things that are used in the real world, several times a week. My night vision add-on is all printed in XT, the day scope adapter is also in XT and takes a considerable amount of abuse. I found that XT gave a way better layer bond than ABS, and was far less prone to fracture in the layers.

    My printed add-on sits on the back of a rifle scope, gets banged about and has been dropped onto hard, compacted ground several times over the years, dropped onto tarmac also and has always survived.

    It (XT) doesn’t shrink, doesn’t warp, resists chemicals (and glue) and I screw directly into the material to fix parts together, no problems fitting and removing those screws many times over.

    I really hope that polysupport works with XT as I’ve redesigns to the add on that I’ve made which will only print if supported. I’ll be bothering Ben for some printing tips once the dual material upgrade arrives back.

    <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Oh, I almost forgot, XT sticks like the proverbial to a blanket (or, in this case, the PEI sheet). </span>

    Have I shown enough love for XT yet?

    #33414

    markB @markb

    >Have I shown enough love for XT yet?

    @dmullerdesign .. yep … that sounds quite convincing 😉

    @bhudson : what is the ” with that a little more effort ” bit referring to ? Just curious.

    I think I read somewhere that you had success with XT + polysupport ? Any comments about your experience ?

    Very tempted now to go with the XT+polysupport for my first prints with new head….

     

     

    #33425
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    BHudson @bhudson
    I have both RoboxDual and other Robox versions
    Arizona, USA

    @markb I have good luck with XT and polySupport after setting up custom profiles changing the support pattern from rectilinear to rectilinear grid. I did not have good luck with the straight rectilinear pattern because the polysupport would get pulled out of shape when not supported by the grid pattern.

    No other changes.

    I operate two Betas and four Production Robox.
    I am the US/Canada Technical Support engineer for the Robox.
    See my 3D Hub site at https://www.3dhubs.com/phoenix/hubs/ben

    #33458

    markB @markb

    @bhudson thanx for the comment seems that xt+polysupport might be the way to go for me..

    just to clarify … your changes just affected the support pattern … not other changes (like temperature settings) were modified ?

    thanx for your help.

     

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