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BHudson 1 year, 3 months ago.
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18/09/2014 at 1:36 am #6133
Hi,
Yesterday I received my production unit and started happily following directions and testing the printer. Everything worked fine, except that Automaker never prompted for registration in the initial setup on Win7 or OSX. When I got to printing, the Robox had trouble consistently holding the included ABS filament to the print bed. Called it a night without resolution after 4-5 fails.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1dzhfrfzzpmznmu/2014-09-16%2022.34.45.jpg?dl=0
Today I decided to try switching to the included PLA filament. Turned the unit on, followed the instructions for material ejection and was unable to get the printer to back the filament out. Tried running the Purge Material and Eject Stuck Material commands in Automaker without any luck. Eventually I got the green filament out by holding the eject button with the nozzle heater turned on, and applying some light force, but now when I attempt to load the PLA reel the motors do not engage to pull the filament in. Seems like there might be some ABS left in the system, but running the purge and eject scripts has been ineffective.
In other news, I miraculously received 2 production units via DHL, and I’m not sure what to do about that? I know I need to send one of these back… both were addressed to me and seem to have come at the exact same time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ms4goov0h5r56db/2014-09-15%2012.03.24.jpg?dl=0
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Gary
18/09/2014 at 2:22 am #6135I set up my Robox tonight and had a the same problem. ABS failed to stick to the bed and I couldn’t print anything. (0pened a support ticket).
I also tried to extract the ABS and it’s stuck. You can hear the motor running but material will not back out. I can’t find the above Purge Material and Eject Stuck Material commands in Automaker to see if this could help.
Hopefully Robox team is monitoring this forum and it’s a common problem. Please provide a fix so I can get a print done. This is my first experience with 3D printing and I’m almost ready to go back to 2D printing 🙁
18/09/2014 at 4:06 am #6137@m3pete
On the left hand sidebar of Automaker, there is a dark grey column with 3 lighter grey dots in it, click that to open the advanced tab for access to additional features and controls for the printer. Hopefully the commands work for you where mine failed! Keep with it!
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18/09/2014 at 4:36 am #6139I to I’m having the same problem. Now I cannot load a new reel!
18/09/2014 at 2:54 pm #6178@clarckgn @m3pete @ viper
The following are the first troubleshooting steps you should take. You may have already completed one or more.
It is crucial that you clean the PEI bed surface with rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol before printing. I use a microfiber car cleaning cloth on mine to avoid lint. It is also crucial to do the bed and gantry level operations, as well as the nozzle height operation, before printing.
If you have completed all of those operations and you are still having issues with material sticking to the bed, use a thinner piece of paper under the nozzle and redo the nozzle height calibration. The nozzle height test should be such that you can still feel the paper rub against the nozzle. There should be the slightest touch of resistance between the nozzle and paper. If you can’t push the paper under the nozzle, that is too tight, if the paper pulls from under the nozzle without resistance, that is too loose. I use a piece of 30 weight parchment that is sold for calligraphy and get very good repeatable results.
When you are loading new filament, please make sure that the end of the filament is cut at 45 degrees.
For the failure to eject, please check it this way:
Turn off the Robox and unplug all the cables. Remove the head using the screw at the back of the head carrier. Pull the head down and forward to release it once the screw is loose. Clip the filament so the head can be removed. Now turn the Robox back on and attempt to eject. Watch the filament where it protrudes from the head carrier. If more of it comes out, clip the filament at the entrance to the Robox and repeatedly eject until the filament can be pulled from the head carrier by hand. Please report this behavior on the Robox support portal.
If it moves backward, don’t clip the filament and just eject normally, repeating the command until the filament can be pulled from the pathway.
A bit of force is required to release the filament from its pathways going both forward and backward, probably 2-5 pounds of pulling force.
I hope this isn’t a common problem, but I have the same issue right now with not being able to eject. @pete is working on it with me.
I operate two Betas and one Production Robox.
I am the US/Canada Technical Support engineer for the Robox.
See my 3D Hub site at https://www.3dhubs.com/phoenix/hubs/ben18/09/2014 at 8:08 pm #6216BHudson, see my post in Tech Support/Filament Stopped Feeding
Terry Taylor
18/09/2014 at 8:59 pm #6218@n6mon, it maybe more than just letting the head heat . . . heating the head is obviously required to eject the filament if the previous print didn’t fully finish . .. a fully completed print or purge cycle should park the filament away from the head (beds moves to the rear and waits for the head to cool to ~140deg, then pulls the filament back from the head & then bed moves to the front).
Hopefully its just that causing issues with the other backers, but it appears that the filament can bulge sometimes just infront of the head, making it difficult to retract back through the system. On the odd occasion its happened with me I’ve just removed the head (with all power off - very important so you don’t fry the head) powered back on again and moved the filament forwards a couple 100 clicks. trim the filament 1/2″ from the Bowden outlet, and then been able to eject it successfully. think its mainly occurred when the head’s not ejecting material for one reason or another, I’m guessing the warmth has plasticised the filament and as the extruder’s still applying pressure its just bulged.
18/09/2014 at 9:06 pm #6219Rob, that was my original thought, but I took the head off and the tube that brings filament to the head is clear (I was able to insert a piece of filament from the head-end back towards the device that pulls it and was able to insert about 8″ of filament, so the blockage is definitely at the feed mechanism on the left side.
Terry Taylor
21/09/2014 at 12:17 pm #6395Got the ABS filament unstuck using BHudson’s advice, filament now rolls smoothly up to the head. Thanks!
Now something is causing it not to extrude through either nozzle. Tried following the instructions on freshdesk for a manual purge, but the filament won’t push in, even when heated to 255° and there isn’t enough of a tail to pull it out with tweezers or pliers.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t4jcocvmug33eqx/2014-09-20%2011.20.13.jpg?dl=0
I’m guessing I’ll be opening up the head assembly next to clear a path?
21/09/2014 at 2:36 pm #6401To disassemble the head enough to clear that would be a total strip-down… I really wouldn’t even consider doing that unless recommended by CEL, and that’d probably be only as a last resort.
I’d recommend getting some extra-fine needle-nosed pliers (as used in jewellery-making) and try again to remove that while the head’s hot. You should be able to get some that’ll fit in the hole, and they’ll have a lot more pulling power than tweezers. It might take a number of goes though.
21/09/2014 at 3:08 pm #640421/09/2014 at 3:30 pm #6408That’s a great idea!
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