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    CasperH @casperh
    I don't have a Robox :(

    Hi!

    Although I already own a 3D printer I have been following the Robox with great interest, especially the dual nozzle system speaks to my love for engineering with the needle valve system.

    Inspired by the Robox I have been looking at using two different size extruders for my own printer (I own a SpiderBot) to speed things up and doing some experiments slicing for these in Simplify3D.

    Now I read on the website the following:

    robox® includes a proprietary dual-nozzle system which can improve print speeds by up to 300% when set against our competitors. A single material feed can be directed out of one of two nozzles – with a 0.3mm or 0.8mm extrusion diameter. This means Robox® can produce highly detailed exterior surfaces for the surfaces you can see, and then quickly fill the object using the larger nozzle multiple layers at a time without affecting part strength or detail.

    But I can’t figure out how this “300%” is determined. I found two things, the different size nozzles (0.3 and 0.8 mm) and also smarter slicing, thicker layers on top of each other if they are the same (for example with a cube). The second bit I read here when searching this forum:

    http://www.cel-robox.com/forums/topic/killer-features-your-views/#post-4642

    My own experiments with several different parts (a simple 2x2x2 cm cube), the Cute Octopus from Thingiverse (default size) and a Batman Boomerang (much outside detail, very little infill) reveal print time reductions from a single 0.5 mm nozzle to 2 nozzles at 0.3 and 0.8 of about 15-30%. What I have not changed is the movement speed for these two those are the same.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to bash, I think increased print time of 15-30% is great and a lot, but I don’t see the 300% faster bit. Can someone explain, when and how this can be achieved. =)

    Another thing I notice with Simplify3D as a slicer is that for more sharper/pointy objects the infill, at a larger diameter does not fill up everything properly. Does the Robox slicer take care of this?

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    Profile photo of click
    click @click
    My Robox is a Green Kickstarter Limited Edition

    I don’t think anyone here has seen any significant improvements because dual nozzle system. Even the latest software dropped active use of dual nozzles in one profile: now we have ‘draft’ using 0.8mm nozzle and all other profiles using 0.3mm nozzle exclusively.

    So, aside of having ability to print quickly with 0.8mm nozzle and at ‘normal’ speed with 0.3mm nozzle nothing extra happened with dual nozzle system. Even when both were utilised before, it didn’t automatically meant prints happening in 1/3 of the time.

    Beside of that, at the beginning when people hoped that they’re voice is heard here, there were requests for simple, single nozzle head since dual nozzle head seamed to be less robust than simple design other printers are doing. But I think people or just moved away from here or stopped having hopes for such request being greeted with any response from CEL…

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