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Hi everybody,
I join the robox community after ordered mine on roboshop.com. Fallowing a mistake in them inventory, they make a rush order and should be able to ship it next week. I’am convince that it’s a printer with great capacities and that it can do an amazing job. But I’am a bit afraid from what I read on this forum.
It appears that this printer is not really ready and look like more an “improved beta units”.
From what I saw, nobody can get a good print as it’s state by CEL. I’am doubtful when I see in one part some crazy video on youtube ( like the woman body or the hyppopotamus ) and totally scared when I see what happen in that forum. So much mecanicals problems and a print quality which is most of the time a disaster.
Robox was presented as a robot in a box, totally ready for the first print. Easy to use and performing fantastic quality object … a micromanufacturing platform as they call it. So I ask you, early users, what do you think about that ? May I trust CEL and take the risk of getting a non fonctional machine or should I cancel my order ?
Cheers
I printed a very nice looking espresso cup in fine mode with no big issues. I did try it in draft first and it didnt come out all that well. I didnt do any type of calibration after unpacking my machine. I simply let it purge since a different material was to be used and then printed.
Unfortunately I think it is just that all models cant successfully be printed in all modes and all models cant be printed period. If robox was a true click to print machine it would tell me if a print I intend to do will work and if not what I need to change. However I still think it is by far the best I have seen when it comes to this type of machine/price class. Mine hasnt required any sort of tinkering so far. Sure there are a lot of things that can be improved with the software (both the one in the computer and the firmware) but I think my machine is quite close to an open-file-click-print experience.
I think there are far more people who have received machines and started using them than there are people posting here.
I think the Robox is a great machine.
I’m sure some of them have problems, as can be seen around the forums here. But most of the problems are from poor communication (CEL to users, the UI of automaker - which they are redoing right now, documentation could be better also). I think the machine itself has great potential and when those initial common problems are ironed out, the Robox will be awesome. You can check my first impressions post here:
My first impressions: Very Positive!
- This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Adrenaline.
It’s certainly not achieved the perfect out-of-the-box experience yet, and there’s still a lot of work to do. However, if everyone currently with a Robox was unable to print properly, these forums would be a hell of a lot busier than they are. Most users who are printing happily will be utterly silent and might not have even seen (or cared) about these forums. Most users who are having problems are going to seek out this forum and the support system and complain.
That’s not to say that the people on here complaining about their Roboxes don’t have legitimate issues, but I really don’t think they’re the majority.
This is still early days. Robox has a hell of a lot of potential even with the current hardware. Documentation does need to be improved substantially, as a lot of issues seem to come down to calibration or honest misunderstanding of how to use it. Partly the fault of the users for not fully reading the manual, and partly CEL’s fault for not making this information clear enough, or for raising expectations.
I think we’re a long way from a 3D Printer that’s totally plug-and-play: hot plastic is always going to have peculiarities that need to be accounted for, and users’ expectations need to be realistic. Robox hasn’t reached the very high bar they set for themselves yet (and may never quite reach it), but neither have any of the competitors, and at least Robox tries to.
Tom Gidden -- Bristol, UK -- New Roboxer? Check out the wiki, and add yourself to the map! http://roboxing.com/user_locationsMy opinion is simple:
- I think robox will become an acceptable 3D printer, the simple reason is CEL has no other choice if they want to conquer their place in the 3D market. No other option out there.
It will take it’s time, Rome was not made in one day, I’ll contribute in my very small way whatever I can so it can become one.
- I don’t believe for one second in the “silent happy printer” users.
I don’t have the impression CEL is on that stage of development where they can take a much needed break, relax, and watch happily over their accomplishments.
With an overwhelming majority of the 350 roboxers having a perfectly working robox, things would be a lot different in and out this forum.
So it is as always not a matter of believing, but a matter of hard facts. If exclusivly the forum users would have problems and the rest is fine,
the first thing I would do as a company is silence these users with a new robox, take the old ones and diagonse these problem roboxes in all peace at headquarters.java (EE), JavaFX, HTML, GIS) programmer, database wizard, framework inventor, looking for a job ! http://roboxing.com/wizardsThank you everybody for these precious comments. First of all it’s reassuring to see that there is an engaged community which is in place.
Buying a 3d printer is a relative investment. I needed a long time for reflexion before any decision. My choice stopped on the robox and the flashforge dreamer. The last one was available and I was everytime considering the question, do I by the dreamer now, do I by the dreamer now, do I by the dreamer now … (4 month ago). And I think that unconciously I did’nt take any official decision … just waiting for the robox ^^ which seems to be on the paper a revolution in the 3d printer world.I have high expectations about this printer, the fault of CEL which make me dream with all these perfect prints worthy of professional quality printer. And that is finally confirm with “Adrenaline” gears print which are remarkable. Welldone ! Miss that kind of post in this forum ; unfortunately as you guys said, happy user are less concerned as the ones whose get troubles.
So you definitly convince me that robox is / will be a really good printer and I will keep waiting mine.
I will also try to participate in this forum which is really instructive.Last thing, thanks to gid for his website, it will be a precious help for my future robox use.
cheers guys
I think the hardware is mostly solid, but the software needs improvements, mainly dealing with the tweaking of the print settings and adjusting their gcode processing.
One of the biggest problems though is that it’s supposed to be pretty much calibrated at the factory and many people are finding that they need to run through calibration themselves.
But there’s some great things-the parts of the prints that don’t have errors due to the software end up very high quality, there’s very good layer alignment.
About the calibration from factory: I just brought the printer home from the office, where I unpacked and ran it for a day. First print at home was a disaster again - after recalibrating all was good. And that was a 2km jorney by car and a couple of stairs. You can imagine what thousands of miles of shipping would do to the factory calibration!
Meaning every time we move a robox it’s calibration time.
Very usefull information.java (EE), JavaFX, HTML, GIS) programmer, database wizard, framework inventor, looking for a job ! http://roboxing.com/wizardsI think that is pretty normal for machines which has to be less than a mm precise
I’m not sure all calibration points would be required. Nozzle offsets, probably not: they’re more of a property of the head itself. I think if done properly, nozzle offsets should only be necessary once per head, and possibly the factory calibration could be enough. Nozzle heights, maybe: first part should be fine; second part not in theory, but I can see that movement could affect how the Z-limit is dealt with. Bed/gantry calibration probably would need redoing after a move.
Tom Gidden -- Bristol, UK -- New Roboxer? Check out the wiki, and add yourself to the map! http://roboxing.com/user_locations
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